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Wow are SJW people and just other bad people in general still harassing Jontron?
I’m sick of this shit, I mean honestly there are MANY other things that are multitudes in importance in terms of something that is “bad”
OH NO JON SAID SOME STUFF I DON’T LIKE. LET’S ALL GANG UP ON HIM AND TRY TO MAKE HIM MISERABLE.
Seriously this shit is just terrible… I’m sorry but if you call yourself a SJW unironicly, I will most likely hold very little respect for you because it seems that it’s just a cover to harass, bully and manipulate people to meet their view of a perfect world.
There have been people like this many times throughout history. In the 1930s a certain individual from Germany had a vision of a perfect world, was it right that he basically started the largest conflict in human history for that?
Jesus Christ people on this website need to grow up…
No, people on this website like yourself need to learn to think critically and do their research. Now, why are a lot of people angry with him for calling someone “retarded”?
“Retarded” has been used as a slur against the intellectually disabled for a very long time. It has been in the process of falling from official use because of the harm it did. The American Association For Mental Retardation voted to change its name to The American Association On Intellectual And Developmental Disabilities in 2006. The Associated Press struck the term from journalistic use in 2008. Rosa’s Law has been changing the federal terminology since it passed in 2009. It was removed from medical use in 2010.
The Special Olympics and Best Buddies, along with dozens of other advocacy groups for the intellectually disabled and their families, support r-word.org , which seeks to make people realize the long-reaching harm language can do.
Special Olympics champion John Franklin Stephens has spoken out against use of the word by public figures numerous times.
I want you to stop and think about Rosa Marcellino. Special needs children are bullied with that term on a regular basis. Rosa’s Law came to be because it hurt this little girl and she did not want it to be used to hurt anymore. Jontron claims “freedom of speech”. What about those childrens’ right to grow up not being mocked and made to feel inferior? Because when a popular figure like Jontron is lazy and thoughtless with his words, he is implicitly encouraging every bully who uses it.
It’s a revolting irony you try to parallel his being called out to Nazi Germany, considering Hitler authorized the slaughter of the intellectually disabled with Action T4.
People may want to dice semantics with his usage of the word on an inanimate object, but that doesn’t change the fact he then used it as an insult against someone who politely asked him to use a different term. He may want to dice semantics and claim to be a “just” man, but that doesn’t change the fact he’s using language that has been used to harm good people for generations.
I grew up in the time that word was an acceptable medical term, and when I learned its hateful history I removed it from my vocabulary. So what’s Jontron’s excuse? “Freedom of speech”? Slurs are actually hate speech.
“Speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of e.g. race, religion, gender, disability, or sexual orientation.”
Sound familiar? Because it sure as hell doesn’t sound like anything a “just man” would say. Only something a selfish shitlord would. This isn’t “social justice warriors”. This is common fucking respect to people who are impacted by that slur every day.
I see you have a pony icon. One of the writers of MLP: FiM, Amy Keating Rogers, is an advocate of the intellectually disabled. “My son Soren (of Soarin’ fame) is severely disabled. We do not use the word “retarded” in our house because it really has become an offensive slur.” Not to mention the whole point of that show is to not be a jackass like Jontron. Rewatch a few episodes, because you clearly missed the whole point of the series.
Think criitcally. Realize what weight your words can have, if only to realize what they are saying about you.
You know i just realized something. The psyguy victims claimed that he should be punished. But he is trying to move on from all the situations that are happening. Why aren’t they moving on about it? They claim that they have. But yet they still want people to be aware, he…
If you haven’t already, block soulthemechanic as well. For someone who “cares so little” they spew plenty of abusive garbage at victims.
To be honest. Yes this is. This is exactly what everyone is doing on tumblr these days. I am not referring towards incidents involving people. But just in general. Pretty much people just don’t know how to give a fuck.
Lets show how shall we?
you ask yourself: Can this help me? Can this support my career as whatever? Can this help my problems? Will it help my problems? Will it pay my bills? Will bitching about a fandom that has nothing to do with a person actually have some worth?
If it answers no. Then dont’ give a fuck.
if it answers yes. Then go to the public about it.
Psyguy incident for example:
Will it solve my work out bills from LA fitness? No.
Will it help my gaming experience on my xbox? No.
Will it get me that promotion i wanted at HEB? No.
Will it get my dad a new house with no problems? No
Will it give me headache? yes.
Is it my fault that this happen? HELL NO.
So in conclusion, use this mantra I learn from Good ol’ Uncle Kage. Ain’t my fault, Ain’t my problem. Trust me. You use this, and your life is better already. You stick to what you have in your life and move on with a lesson learned: internet drama or any drama that concerns towards society is stupid and pathetic to drag out on public grounds. No matter WHAT it is. Unless you reported to the authorities, then don’t bug the world about it. Raising awareness doesn’t help the problem, it brings bigger problems. Awareness is basically going to get people upset at one person to do this thing i call Street Justice. You know, shooting or beating the guys that some awareness groups. No one is the judge, jurry, executioner if it was like that. Then i am pretty sure a lot of people would be dead. Including some of us who had a bad past. So yes, I will treat Bryon like a regular person, because he didn’t do that shit to me. He did it to all of you, and last time I check, my personal daily agenda isn’t about you people. Its about what I want. It’s time I realize that. So yeah tell me to get off the internet, tell me to go die, sure I will go off the internet and I will probably go and be a better human than a lot of you. Probably get married, have 2 kids…twins…teach them right and wrong…move on with my life and probably forget about this the next day I woke up. Why? Because that the person I am. And i am proud of it. Spring boy out.
“My Little Pony: Friendship Only If It Benefits Me”
I hope you never have to rely on the aid of strangers then, my selfish friend.
Should I scratch off “Apathy” or “Don’t rock the boat” off the bingo card?
I'm shocked TenaFlyViper isn't doing her usual "oh my god guys these are such terrible attention whore feminists, I'm not like THEM--I won't call you out on terrible behavior. You should appreciate MY art! Please? Please look at my art, I linked it and everything! PLEASE APPRECIATE ME."
“I’m not like this other girl who is a teenager a slutty attention whore, I just want to be one of the guys! Ha ha, I’m totally ok with your misogynistic shit because I know it’s about other women, not me! Please accept me, guys!”
I love how in one of those screenshots she accuses DWM supporters of sending death threats to a teenage boy. Nothing to say about the grown men sending porn, viruses, and threats to a teenage girl to try to convince her that their rape jokes “aren’t harmful”? Nothing to say about them stealing money from a teenage girl, and sharing her actual address amongst each other? Hmm.
- You made a podcast on a very sensitive subject while intoxicated, apparently. Not a good start if you want to perceived as sincere and thoughtful on the subject.
- Throughout the course of this painfully improvised piece of audio, I did not hear any of you once address the multiple survivors that have spoken out against the Molestia meme, making it seem rather one-sided. You did not seem to consider that those who oppose jokes at the expense of the victim have legitimate reasons. Not once did I hear an explanation of why the humor of APM must come from the discomfort of the victims. Why is that?
“‘cause that’s some vile shit, to take somebody’s humanity.”
- Richard Pryor, Wanted: Live In Concert
It isn’t hard to place the joke where it belongs; I always thought the goal of comedy was to make as many people laugh as possible, not prey on trauma at a victim’s expense, and the statistics show there is a very good chance there are survivors in your audience or those who care for a survivor. But you seem solidly behind the lazy “humor” of showing characters not only being assaulted for sexual titillation, but you excuse it away as “they wanted it in the end”. Without both sides being discussed soberly, you gave me the impression that those affected by them simply need to “get over it” to fit your comfort zone, again, an insincere impression.
So again, the question begs—why does it have to be rape, and why does it have to be presented at the victim’s expense?
- I have yet to see Molestia presented as a negative character in APM. In turn, what she does is perceived as “sexy”, or as you put it, “fun”, and an amazing quantity of people did not think what she did was assault at all. You backed this phenomenon up with both of your videos on the subject. You were so engrossed in defending it, you never explained why the “vile shit” is somehow less vile because a “sexy pony” did it.
It’s piss-poor grade-school-clueless characterization at best, exploitation at worst, and there have been multiple brave anons all too willing to use the threat of rape as a tool of control against a minor in this argument, and more still willing to silently watch them do it or say she “deserved” it. You would think it wasn’t taken seriously or something.
- “Mild rape”? “Molestia raped me and it was fun!” Speaking of thinking on the weight of your words. Also, “Hitler liked bread” does not explain why rape is used as a threat, a sly euphemism, or a twisted insult, or why a lot of people seem to confuse rape with sex. It does not explain the statistics at RAINN or the horror stories like Steubenville, this, this, this, thelistgoeson.
This is why it is not a joke to many people, including RAINN.Because it is not taken seriously to start with too many damn times.
And if you are still laughing, if you are still portraying assault as sex for a cheap thrill, then yes, I will wonder why and side-eye you like a shitlord, because you seem to be more invested in a cheap laugh than consideration to others. Opinion? Maybe. But actions speak louder and all.
If i can point out something, online activism will not work, since lets face it: tumblr does not have a far reaching influence on the internet like reddit, like facebook, or like twitter. furthermore, if i can point out something: online activism wont work. what will work is going outside. help out in shelters for abused women and children, donate to RAINN, educate the young that its not acceptable to rape. I know its hard to get off the computer and actually do something, but in the long run people (mostly the yong men of the generation) will realize its wrong.
It doesn’t work, really. It’s right on RAINN’s website in the link. In big bold letters. At the top.
Instagram Retires #RapeFace after Hearing from RAINN Supporters
Opposing something DOES raise awareness of why something is wrong. It does educate, and it does provide support to survivors who have to suffer lel-mindless-rape-joke bullshit right and left online because thoughtless people think rape is a subject that can be sexy and funny at the expense of the victims.
Sometimes people just don’t want to learn, though. So, here is RAINN telling you it matters. Are you saying the only way you’re going to believe it is if it’s not online? Suddenly, magically, the language changes if it’s in real life? Suddenly, magically, you become a completely different person at the keyboard?
If you would correct someone for a rape “joke” in real life, why wouldn’t you do it online?
Are you saying they are wrong because it is inconvenient to you?
Here, I’ll even post the other quote they have on the page, since it looks like actually doing research is too much for you.
“Words are powerful. Words have consequences. When a word like rape is used as a joke, it trivializes sexual assault.”
You want to believe money is all that matters in this. It’s easier that way, I’m sure. But it’s not true. You also have to change minds, and you do that by talking. EVERYWHERE you go.
You cant change culture over night, going after people online for being dickheads wont change this “rape culture”. Shit like this takes time. If you just sit on your tumblr and complain to some retard without a mind it will be a perpetual cycle. Now, if you actually try to educate in the real world people will listen. if you do it with dignity and class they will listen.
Money alone wont solve it, but that money can be spent with flyers, leaflets, commercials, actually getting people to the schools to teach children its wrong.
I know im going to get shit for this but: its just words online from idiots, if you try to stop EVERYONE joking about rape this will never end.
Basically: tell them the why, not the what
rational
You are literally using the internet to try to educate people about how using the internet to educate others is ineffective. Doesn’t sound too rational to me. To make it clear here, you said internet activism won’t work and that it won’t educate people on these issues.
The internet is such a powerful tool when it comes to educating others. If change isn’t going to come quickly (and no one said it was), then why ignore such a potent platform when it comes to educating and being an activist?
You are showing a complete bias towards “real life” activism. Look, activism outside of the internet is important and crucial for change. I understand that. But saying internet activism “won’t work” is incredibly stupid. Leaflets, eh? Yeah I know kids are fucking crazy about leaflets these days. That’s why they’re not spending a majority their time on the internet anymore. It’s also why students never use the internet to write papers for their education. Oh no wait. They are on the internet practically all the time and using a paper source is considered a chore.
You know what? Fuck RAINN’s website. Make people go to their local RAINN center to get pamphlets and make their donations. Now that’s what I call easy accessibility. You need a help hotline number now? Well too fucking bad, someone said the internet was useless in activism and education. And you’d be a fool to use the internet to get directions to those real life places, because it can’t educate you. Having a website is pointless. It’s not increasing their visibility or the causes visibility at all.
Your logic doesn’t get better either. Complaining to some idiot on the internet will just perpetuate the problem? Yes. Pointing out problematic behavior will cause the behavior to perpetuate itself. Don’t point out problems. Just ignore it and it will go away. But don’t forget to educate. But totally don’t point anything problematic out. That’s essentially what you just said. I’ve never heard more logic in my life.
What you see as “complaining” is actually calling somebody out on problematic behavior. It’s not some instant gratification shit that you’ve implied it is. And you know what’s an incredible tool to call out problematic behaviors with? The internet. It is a relatively safe space where one’s immediate physical safety isn’t endangered because you’re behind a computer and it helps that it offers varying degrees of anonymity. It also enables you to spread awareness at the same time you’re calling out problematic behavior. But the internet’s a worthless tool for educating and activism.
Dignity and class, eh? Most people’s definition of dignity and class when it comes to activism usually involves coddling those exhibiting shitty behaviors and attitudes. Don’t fucking make them feel bad for it. No, the greatest change will never come from using people’s desire for acceptance to change their shitty behaviors.
You know what needs to happen? People need to be held accountable for their actions. There need to be consequences coming for other people. If you say something shitty I’m going to let it be known and you should feel bad and other people should make you feel like it’s a bad thing too. The internet isn’t a magical place free of those social consequences. So don’t act like it is.
Vent your aggression and bitterness over other people enjoying something that you don’t personally understand or are interested in!
You’ll become instantly surrounded and beloved by others with the same narrow-minded need to separate…
You say you’re not popular enough? You say you don’t get enough attention? Well, have I got the solution for you!
Whine about “bronies”!
Express your distaste over rape being a joke with victims as the punchline in a favorite fandom!
You’ll be the life of the pity party!
People will agree with you because maybe….just maybe….they have their own opinion that it’s fucked up too! Except no, let’s just call them a “pity party”! Generalizations are only bad when Tenaflyviper’s not doing it!
Vent your aggression and bitterness over other people enjoying something that you don’t personally understand or are interested in!
Express your distaste over assault being a joke with victims as the punchline because maybe either they have personal experience or care for someone who does!
You’ll become instantly surrounded and beloved by others with the same narrow-minded need to separate other human beings into categories and unwarranted stereotypes!
Dehumanizing and classifying others based on limited evidence and/or extreme minority behavior will put your personal insecurities on display in such a grandiose manner that you’ll have self-absorbed teenage girls and sexually-insecure college-age guys flocking to worship at your feet!
It can’t possibly be because glorifying abuse is disgusting! It’s about OUR insecurities? Hey, remember that time you called a survivor an idiot and a straw feminist because she opposed Molestia? Hilarious! Also, by all means, generalize some more, because only the sexually-insecure and self-absorbed would be squicked by rape jokes! Remember, it’s only generalization if SOMEONE ELSE does it!
Don’t view groups of people as being comprised of individuals from all walks of life, just the same as any other human beings you might encounter in your daily life! Limit your view of them to only the negative traits that you’ve managed to cherry pick from biased and questionable sources! Sensationalism - that’s what sells!
Hentai obviously proves fiction is not a symptom of real life attitudes because they have the less reported rapes than the US! Never mind the sex slavery and women’s only trains to try to curb horrifyingly prevalent assaults, it’s the numbers that count, and that’s all I’m quoting! /mlp/ are still great people even though they dox a minor and laugh as they draw rape porn of her OC!
Who needs human empathy as long as you’re pop-pop-popular?
Who needs human empathy when you can strangely not ignore yet another opinion as you tell others to ignore what bothers them?
Taking valuable time out of your life to mindlessly spread your own iniquitous resentment against a single fan base that has no justifiable impact on your existence is totally cool!
It’s totally cool to only address the thoughts of survivors on one side! The others are “idiots” and “straw feminists” and should not feel comfortable in the fandom! Who cares if consensual relationships can be funny? It’s gotta be rape, and we gotta nudge-nudge wink-wink that oh-so-funny rapist!
And hey - you can even make yourself feel important by taking that same middle-school behavior, and disguising it as “activism”!
And hey! Guess what? Your bullshit that would hurt people in real life also hurts them when they’re typing on a computer! Go figure! I wonder why the other survivors of abuse that thanked me for speaking out on this shit don’t feel safe in this internet space. Hm!.
Someone needs to go back to school, indeed.Get off your high horse, lady. You’re as much of a hypocrite as ANYONE you try to single out in this argument, including the minor you relentlessly criticize.
I’m astounded that you still expect anyone to take you seriously.
If you and your ilk spent even a fraction of the time you use to not only complain on your blogs to the same handful of people (as well as create drawings that have zero impact on anyone’s lives) to actually do something that mattered to real victims, maybe “rape culture” wouldn’t have already, sadly, been turned into a complete and utter joke.
I like how you only choose to address anything in context of the real world when you can’t cope with being called out on being completely useless to a legitimate cause.
I’m sure victims everywhere in the world are totally benefitting from you focusing your rage on a minority of extremists in a single fan base. Very helpful. Really making a difference in the world.
Let me know when you’ve done anything anyone besides yourself can be grateful for.
Oh, remember that time you said I didn’t read your rants thoroughly? Let me repeat: since my time with my Batman blog and Cupidite, I have had fellow survivors of abuse and survivors of sexual assault thank me for speaking out on this because the fandom was so unwelcoming. THEY matter. Even if it had only been one or two people, THEY MATTER. Or do you just deem them “idiots” as well, like you did Kriscastle, because they don’t see it your way?
How laughable you waste your time railing against a minor with your art, while mine has actually made some feel less isolated among the el-oh-el edgy rape jokes.
You made a bunch of people who baited and bullied a minor feel big. Go you. And if you don’t “take me seriously”, as you generalize and use big words to say absolutely jack, as you selectively mock survivors that don’t agree with you, thank goodness. It means I’m doing something right.
By the by, have you seen us lately when we make our Food Bank donations? 115 pounds once, 85 another, 155 another, this month’s is in the car for dropoff. What’s that? You didn’t research again? Oh darn.
Only time I don’t take Tara seriously is when she’s nerding out over something so guess you ARE generalizing.
Also helping a victim -matters-. Even if its just making them comfortable. Even if its just a simple laugh. Even if its just one.
